Closing Discussions

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Creston Studio: April 29, 2005

At the end of each studio the members hold a closing discussion where the project, its successes and failures, and notions of civic life in general are discussed by studio members and the public alike. The following are notes from the final Creston Studio discussion along with questions posed and comments from visitors.

Click here to read a letter to the Creston studio from Beth Lively, a neighborhood resident who attended the discussion.

Have we tapped into the community? Where/Who is the community? Is it the people who live or work there? Who wants community and why?

The quirks of the neighbourhood change the familiar into something specific to the area.

Objectification of a place can happen when you don't live there, i.e. tourism.

People find it hard to think of impermanence, everything is presumed to be concrete and forever.

Finding community and temporary space links to Miwon Kwon's criticism of temporary involvement.

What would be the ideal level of community involvement? Is studio work detached from the community?

"The world we share is visual material; artists are visual material people."

An unease is created by voyeristic observation of community for our pleasure/interest.

We need to accept a changing definition of community from project to project.

A community can be common interests or shared ideals.

Just thinking about community is important and valid.

There are many problems with definitive labels.

"We'll never know our impact [on the community] or hear all the conversations."

What have we learned from Creston?

It has a unique character.

It seems to be built on nostalgia, trying to rebuild/return to its former glory.

Could this impression have been created by starting with historical research?

Revitalisation only happens when attempting to regain something lost.

When was Creston's hayday? What changes are there now?

Not much pedestrian traffic.

A lack of people-oriented business, eg. department stores.

Creston used to be more cohesive; death of family-owned business (big companies are taking stores to the suburbs/strip malls)

"Tight knit community is the least ammount of distance between where people live and where they work."

Stilgoe talks about people moving to their own property, a move towards private living, cars, etc.

There is a breakdown of people knowing each other and making the effort to do so.

Routine vs. change.

"Community exists in moments, it is the chance interactions and engagements with people that equal community."

Some people never engage.

One reason seems to be the economic disparity (towne vs. club)

What part of Creston do we belong to?

There is one than one neighborhood.

Economics can shape/force a community.

What did the name Towne Club mean to the owner of the Soda company?

A return to the old way of selling soda,not competing with big business.

The 'E' really does make it fancy.

There were 35 flavors of soda and 9 diet ones indicating the closeness of the business to the people.

It was bought straight from the factory, reusable bottles were returned.

Problems were caused by selling in supermarkets and not getting the bottles returned.

Soda sold with 50's nostalgia, a marketing ideal.

Is anything new anymore?

Age old discussion about postmodernist reaction against modernism.

Presenting of a new brand's identity.

Kwontext

An ideal exists of the artist as a citizen, removing the institution.

New ideas are generated by the inclusion of more people, the difference between Civic Studio (and projects like it) and other studios.

Ties to the academic institution create the risk of group work turning into an assignment/delegation.

The importance of a common interest/commitment.

We have the freedom to engage in fluid ideas without a top down structure.

The general fear of not knowing what was going on was felt by many in the studio.

"That's the description of a cult, you dont know what it is but you're in it."

What if we had gotten into the goo earlier? How has it affected us not having facilities?

A risk was taken with a large class size.

There are issues concerned with local and global. You have to live in the community to really know it; outsiders see it differently.

People coming into the space activated the exhibition.

What roles did we play as cultural signifiers?

Beth Lively's final comment "you seem to get it."

Alabama Studio: December 12, 2003

Each studio concludes with a public closing discussion. All are invited to gather and consider art, learning and civic life through a review and critical examination of the projects.

Bridge Studio: April 25, 2003

The closing discussion was open to the public, and was attended by GVSU faculty and students as well as people from the neighborhood. The discussion drew both praise and criticism of the project. The issues raised dealt with goals of the studio, risk-taking, successes and failures. Questions arose concerning issues such as the definition of public art and of community, the artist’s perceived authority and legitimacy, as well as whether public art has or could have an impact on a community. Some visitors questioned the value of the gallery setting as opposed to more interactive dissemination of ideas.